Hi Emil, Thanks for the compliment I have never imported edged weapon to Russia so I can't say I am very experienced in doing that. However, nearly every single militaria forum in Russia features a thread describing customs problems peoples come across when they buy things abroad especially edged weapon. Russian law prohibits sales of edged weapon in general and antique pieces could only be imported provided the recepient obtaines confirmation from authority the items have cultural value. I am not sure about customs duty, it might be applicable as well. The whole procedure of obtaining cultural value conclusion and release of items by customs is a total pain in the ass. As a result the Russian buyers will think twice before bidding on your swords as buying them off you is expensive and time-consuming challenge. Though, I import the edged weapon into Ukraine I make sure Customs is not involved Regards Conduit
HI Conduit ! Interesting info you have sent me. If there are so many threads describing all the difficulties people come across, means they become more and more experienced and maybe know how to avoid them. I am just showing some optimism, otherwise, really everything seems "mission impossible". O.K. How then antique shops deal? In case the buyer/ recipient hasn't yet received the edged weapon , how is he/she supposed to get a confirmation from an authority and who is supposed to be this authority ? What about if I use courier service? Does that make any difference? Someone mentioned Ukrainian laws do not prohibit such import. Is that a different legal way , after that to approach Russia, or the edged weapon simply stays within Ukraine and you sell only to Ukrainians. Lots of questions. kind regards Emil
Hi, Emil. Very much an interesting story, Emil! Thanks! The third subject - a soldier's dragoon sword, Russia. What about the courier - you pay him money for transfer, and the last already his problems - how he will transfer your swords, you have paid money and he should execute the part of the contract. Couriers go, usually, bypassing customs, time on that has gone. Yours faithfully, Pavel. Good luck.
Emil, mission is not impossible but utterly complicated one so majority of people won't even embark on such an endeavor. I would not like to discourage you totally but trying to inform you of potential low customer demand for your swords. Read this topic if you can: http://www.reibert.info/forum/showthread.php?t=81123&page=2 Sacho is really lucky to have all the things gone smoothly but ask him if he would like to go through all that again and whether it was a bargain after all. Buying within Europe is a plain sailing comparing buying from Europe to Russia/Ukraine. Courier service does not make things any different. Unlike Russia, Ukraine does not even have a practically functioning mechanism allowing import of edged weapon. I had troubles with Customs importing a couple of antique paintings to Ukraine (not even weapon). Much of the weapon brought to Russia/Ukraine is smuggled. Even sale of antique edged weapons on millitaria forums like Reibert is legally prohibited due to legal restrictions on the turnover of edged weapon. I do smuggling too)))
Hi Conduit, I read it. A lot of words I could not understand, but got the idea. Thank God the guys, after "the pain in the ass", got what they wanted. Who is that "Feldfebel"? Is he Bulgarian? I could not understand at all what he wanted to say. On the other hand I was checking "molotok.ru" and can see swords offered by people outside Russia, all the time. Buyers are bidding, though they are aware about the future difficulties. It seems there are deals, after all Anyway, your advice is - auctions outside Russia. But I need to have in mind these swords are specific. Best regards Emil
Hi Pavel, I was thinking about " the pain in the ass". What will happen If I send you two metal bars, nicely packed and sign " posted by Lu Dzyao Fu, monk, Shao Lin monastery"! is this ХО ? I checked some things with " Отдел контроля за вьвозом и ввозом культурньх ценностей'', but they have written several paragraphs only about "вьвозом". On the other hand I was thinkin, my swords are Ethiopian and have nothing to do with niether BG history nor Russian. I think I shall write them and lets see what happens. Best regards Emo
Official expertise decides what is XO (edged weapon) and what is not. The experts use official instructions and catalogues to identify an item as edged weapon. The item can have cultural value no matter it has nothing to do with Russian/Bulgarian history. Antique Ethiopian pieces like yours quite likely to be culturaly valuable, so there is no problems on this side. Basically it's all gonna be a problem for the buyer not a seller. Therefore Russian/Ukrainian collectors will think twice before buying from overseas as legal import of "XO" is complicated despite being allowed by law.
Hi Pavel Jedelweiss? What is this " баков, бакинских" ? I saw the argue about the kortik Zlatoust. Beautiful work !!!
Цитата: Сообщение от kazak777 Посмотреть сообщение ...чем больше читаю и думаю о рынке ХО в РФ и Украине, тем больше ловлю себя на мысли, что мы живем в сплошном абсурде, цирке невообразимом... кремниевые пистолеты - "огнестрел", значит надо провести "обезопашивание" - то есть испохабить-изуродовать; если коротко- или длинноклинковое - тоже превратить в черти-что или вымотать коллекционеру все нервы. сколько раз говорили, что самое страшное оружие в истории - зашорканный столовый кухонный нож! кто слышал, чтобы сберкассу грабили дуэльными парами или ночами в подворотне со шпагой гопстопничали? законы надо менять, сгнили они, молью от времени побиты... и если каждый из нас не будет совать "нужному человечку" магарыч, а будет добиваться (пусть и нервам своим делая бо-бо) исполнения хотя бы того, что уже нам по закону разрешено - вот тогда мы на правильном пути будем! вчера с боем заставил в разрешительной системе поставить мне на учет Ка-Бар. мотивация отказа была такой: это боевой образец, ХО... ОТКУДА он у вас? А КАКОЕ КОМУ ДО ЭТОГО ДОЛЖНО БЫТЬ ДЕЛО!!! нервы помотали, но своего добился! Hi Pavel ! Look at this guy. He is damn right. I will really write to " Rosohrankultur", or whatsoever, tomorrow morning. And will place in the Forum their answer if I receive such. If you or anybody else wants me to put in my letter to " Rosohrankultur", something he wants to ask, know or understand,I will include it in the letter. Just let me know. I want to know your opinion. Is it better to let an edged weapon in its original state as it is found or it must be cleaned? Do you think, rust makes them less precious? I did clean the swords. The saif was obviously used in battle/s. Interesting story about Ethiopians- when they have been invaded by the Italians, sometimes they attacked the Italian tankets with swords. The funny story about their Emperor Menelik II- he got news about the electrical chair in the US, so he decided to order 4. He received them, but there was no electricity. He used one of them as a throne. See pics '' ржавьiм'' http://prikachi.com/files/1302382Y.jpg http://prikachi.com/files/1302383l.jpg http://prikachi.com/files/1302384v.jpg http://prikachi.com/files/1302385X.jpg after some cleaning http://prikachi.com/files/1302391D.jpg http://prikachi.com/files/1302392C.jpg http://prikachi.com/files/1302393L.jpg http://prikachi.com/files/1302394f.jpg What is " у.е" с уважением Емил topgun на форуме Пожаловаться на это сообщение Редактировать/удалить сообщение
Hi! Emil, this is US Dollars ($) "баксы", "баки", "бикинские", "зеленые" It is good that to you the destiny and problems of collectors is not indifferent, but I think that most likely Rosohrankultura will send you in big-big ass because you not the citizen of Russia and they too have the share in the antiques market so a minimum silly to hope that ХО it will be possible to import easy into Russia, without examining At THEM, and accordingly without giving it MONEY. What do I wish to ask them? When there will be a free possession of the fire-arms which have been let out till 1910, for example Mauser К98 - after all the same antiquarian weapon with the years more than 100 years. It is interesting, how they motivate refusal? Presence of still produced cartridges for this weapon? Good work! You are professional restorer of the weapon? Or so, the fan? С Уважением, Павел.
Сергун, we will not. Good manners will stay. It' s me asking a lot and trying to get more knowledge- about arms, updating my Russian, etc. с уважением Емил
Здравей Павка ! / ето по болгарский/ Actually i wanted to write in Russian, but was not sure. I will keep on reading, checking the dictionaries I brought, and probably one day I will start writing in Russian. I will really write to Rosohrankultura. It differs ,whether you as a Russian guy or me as a foreigner will send a letter. Big ass is a lot of work, patience,understanding. Concerning the fire arms-what do you mean by "free possession"? Mauser K98 is a rifle of a very good quality and still can be used somewhere in the world. Maybe that is why you mention the cartridges. but I am open to further discussion. O.K. Pavka, I am not joking and will write to Rosohrankultura. Give me your text and pictures to include it into my letter as if it comes from me and let's what will happen. I would like to offer you something interesting. Register in www.gunbg.com. Check "свободно време", "колекции", members-TVV, Хаджи. You will be amazed Regarding the dollars-I've seen them, don't be angry. It is your slang I cannot understand. сърдечни поздрави Емо
Здравей Павка ! I am not that deep in the matter of fire arms, but did ask wise people-Mauser K98 is still in use as an ordinary fire weapon-Africa, Asia,South America. It has been used in battle during latest fights and battles in former Yugoslavia. Therefore cartridges for MAuser K98 are still produced in Serbia, Germany, Spain, Italy. This is global trade and interests. That's why probably to possess such rifle, they apply different from antique rifles laws. I am almost done with my letter and will include the asking about Mauser K98 с уважением Емо
Привет, Эмиль! I thank you for the shown interest to my request. Also if Rosohrankultura answers you, I will be very grateful, if you publish the answer at this forum. С Уважением, Павел.
Мля ,как мне никада не приходилось находить холодняка по руинам...при том ефиопского посреди Балкана..... Прально Паша говорить,Прально ....жаль что никто не слушает.... щас сижу и думаю....ессть ли смысла вообще тут рассказывать что за гоблены на нижеуказанном форуме висят...но смысла нет..а если кого нибудь интересует Пожалуйста .... давайте не будем превращать место это уникальное в помойку!!
Hi Mr Feldfebel! I can hardly understand what you are trying to say? Can anyone explain? best regards Emo
