Болгарские СС. SS Panzer-Zestörer Brigade /bulgarische Nr 1/

Тема у розділі 'Добровольці у Військах СС', створена користувачем opsi@abv.bg, 11 лют 2007.

  1. von Goltz

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    Вы читать умеете или нет или по вашему что Г.Тессин тоже трепло - так вот его многотомник основан на документах находящияся в военном архиве Бундесархива и в других архивах Германии+другие источники. ПРИТОМ В ОТЛИЧИИ ОТ ВАС ОН ТАКЖЕ ОПУБЛИКОВАЛ СВОЁ ИСПРОВЛЕНИЕ ОШИБОК которые находятся в его трудах....ОН свои ошибки презнал....

    Запомните раз и навсегда что труд G.Tessin это:
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    НУ ВЫЛАЖИТЕ ХОТЯБЫ ОДНУ КОПИЮ ДОКУМЕНТА ИЛИ СПРАВКУ ИЗ АРХИВА МО БОЛГАРИИ ЧТО НЕБЫЛО ПОДРАЗДИЛЕНИЙ БОЛГАРСКИХ СС ИЛИ БОЛГАР В СС - А ТО ВАШ ПУСТОЙ ОБИДЧИВЫЙ ТРЁП НЕВЫДЕРЖИВАЕТ КРИТИКИ......
    С уважением....;)
     
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  3. axis88

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    Победил не я, а истина :)

    NARA NARS Microfilm T-175, Roll 191, Fr.2729113

    + личный архив Залесского К.А. и Семенова К.К.
     
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    Прислал сегодня админ форума по немецкой полевой почте.
    надо только уточнить откуда у него это - номера полевой почты болгар:
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    Болгарский регимент был сформирован но в боях никогда участия не принимал. Это был настоящий болгарский регимент СС (штабная рота, 2 батальона и 2 снабженческой роты), другое дело что участие коего в боевых действиях фактически никем и ничем не подверждается. Но он существовал и это факт! С номерами полевой почты и прочими атрибутами воиской части. Привожу ниже выписки по этому поводу, правда на англ. языке.

    Bulgarisches Waffen-Grenadier Regiment der SS was listed on the SS-FHA's unit rosters for November 1944 and March 1945, but it's unclear it it was a unit that was projected or one that was actually forming.
    In list of Waffen SS units in NARA files from December 1944 Bulgarian regiment carries number 59, on place of SS-Geb. Jg. Regiment from Division "Karstjäger".
    Feldpostnumbers:
    Bulg.SS.Reg.1: Dezember 1944
    Stab, Stabs-Kp.--00773
    Inf.Gesch.Kp.--00773 B
    I.Btl.und Versorg.Kp.--64271 A
    1.Kp.--64271 B
    2.Kp.--64271 C
    3.Kp.--64271 D
    4.Kp.--64271 E
    II.Btl.und Versorg.Kp.--67694 A
    5.Kp.--67694 B
    6.Kp.--67694 C
    7.Kp.--67694 D
    8.Kp.--67694 E
    For the WGR (bulgarisches Nr.1) Mehner lists four commanding officers between November 1944 and March 1945:
    SS-Staf. Günter Anhalt
    SS-Oberf. Heinz Bertling
    SS-Oberf. Bogosanow
    SS-Oberf. Rogosaroff
     
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  6. Фелдфебелъ

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    время поставить точку в этой вымышленной истории...и пусть те которые занимаются фальсификациями поймут что все возможно искажать--но в Финале ИСТОРИЧЕССКАЯ ИСТИНА Выходит на свет....


    Оффициальное Заявление Союза Потомков Оффицерского Корпуса Царства Болгарского.....


    http://edinzavet.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/ivrogozarov/


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    Типа Рогозаров не командовал болгарскими СС, и легиона не было? Это что-то новое:D.
    Не знаю чем руководствовались эти потомки офицерского корпуса (само название союза меня порадовало), но я всегда считал факт существования легиона неоспоримым и в первый раз в жизни встречаю такое:D:D...
     
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    О-о-о, недавно о вас вспоминали :D:D:D

    И у кого какие мысли по поводу сего заявления? Меня настораживает отсутствие ссылок на серьезные документы, а все сводится к одним интервью. Причем, позабавило, что про болгар в СС пишут все кому не лень уже десятка три лет. А эти потомки тока сейчас проснулись. При этом цитируют статейку Кожемякина, но не трогают классические работы - например того же Литлджона или ростер Муньоса. Так что несерьезно все это.
     
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    фальсификация :)
     
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    сегодня в архиве нашел уникальный аналитический документ команды пополнения "Юго-восток" в котором говорится, что с 1943 г. в рядах дивизии "Хандшар" служило 139 болгарских мусульман :)
     
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    We offer rooms from a Bulgarian site ”A COVENANT” of
    Descendants Association of the Royal Officers Corps of Bulgaria and graduates of HM Military school (1878-1944); holders of the Military Order for Bravery and the other Royal orders of Bulgaria; members of the Royal Household and other related offices of service in the pre-republican period of Bulgaria.

    Colonel Ivan Rogozarov and "volunteer corps" - truth, mythology, forgery

    In the invasion of Soviet troops in Bulgaria on September 8, 1944. several Bulgarian political leaders - nationalists managed to leave the country. In Vienna's Imperial Hotel announced the Bulgarian government in exile leader, chaired the National Social Movement Prof. Alexander Tsankov and ministries - Assen Kantardzhiev Prof. (leader of the "fighters on the progress of the Bulgarian '), Hristo Statev (leader one of two large wings in the Bulgarian national legions "), Col. Ivan Rogozarov, Col. Nikola Kostov. Overseas government accommodates the incoming refugees from Bulgaria, coordinates the activities of tens of thousands of Bulgarians who has found the coup as students, volunteers or workers in Germany and Austria. In November 1944. government set up the so-called outbound. "Bulgarian volunteer corps, fighting as part of the German Reich.
    This episode of the story is almost unknown and unexplored due to lack of documents and the small number of participants, leaving memories. In the empty niche intervene historical myths, fraud, outright lies and speculations. To the fullest extent it applies to "Bulgarian volunteer corps and its commander, Col. Ivan Rogozarov.
    Speculation has come from several directions: the Communists, the desire to justify atrocities against the Bulgarian officers' corps and numerous contrived processes artificially inflate the housing business by presenting it as a powerful conspiracy. Describing the Bulgarian officers as' fascists' attempt to legitimize the Communists' anti-fascist "nature of its anti-state activity. In recent years fashion is born of neo-Nazism - fascinated by conspiracy theories apocryphal groups are inspired by racist ideology and symbolism of the Third Reich and especially the SS (the vast difference between the German army with old tradiditsii of knighthood time and party shturmovatsi racial Militia is a separate topic). These people look for inspiration in the Bulgarian part of the country of the Third Reich and find it in the volunteer corps by promoting mythical stories, sounds romantic and heroic. The basis for this myth served an article from Russian lover - historian - Mih. Kozhemyakin, which today can be found in hundreds of places on the web. Several months after the appearance of the article, the author himself made a statement that it had put too much faith on unverified sources and exported in the article can not be assumed to be true. Despite the disclaimer, fiction continues to circulate.
    Here's how the story sounds briefly told by Mikhail Kozhemyakin:
    Volunteer corps is headed by Col. Rogozarov - former Minister of Labor of Bulgaria, the head of the Labour troops, who on Sept. 9 finds an official visit to Germany. The corpus is called Broneiztrebitelna League SS formations to the Reich, and is produced Rogozarov "shtandartenfshtrer SS. Legion quick to enter the battle with the Red Army must be for the occupation of Bulgaria. In heroic battles involving it causes serious damage to the Soviet troops, and even managed to remove Soviet aircraft with anti-tank gun. Legion razpolaha with their surveillance aircraft, presented personally by Goering. Bulgarians fight to the last hours of the war. Regiment. Rogozarov killed in battle on the day kapitolatsiyata Germany - May 9, 1945.
    ... In this story there is no single correct word. Besides military tactical thoughtless, the article quite arbitrarily used names of officers who, while fighting against Germany in the composition of First Bulgarian Army as the pilot Bochev Peter and John Major Gyumbabov - both killed, one in Macedonia and the other in Hungary. Naive and ill-contrived forgery, although we must admit interestingly told.
    To reveal the truth as possible inquire wide range of people: the descendants of colleagues and friends of the family of Ivan Rogozarov, Bulgarian officers who served with him in labor forces, memories of prominent figures from the Bulgarian emigration politically active in overseas government Bulgarian officers - witnesses and defendants in trials against "fascist conspiracies and goryanskoto movement.
    First we will examine the known data on family and his biography of Ivan Rogozarov:
    At the beginning of XIX century in the old central district of Lovech - Varosha located in the medieval Bulgarian fortress Kuncho Rogozarov lives. His sons and Panayot Dragon (Panel) to act as functionaries of the Bulgarian Revival. Pano Rogozarov (1842-1893) was among the first Renaissance teachers and creators of the new Bulgarian education. He studied under Joseph Kovachev in Stip, then a teacher in several Bulgarian cities - Pleven Svelievo, Teteven, Lovech. Taught in Bulgarian, Greek, Turkish and French. Teacher Pano is among the first to introduce sound method to replace vzaimouchitelnata. Participate in revolutionary committee, and after the liberation of Lovech is secretary of the first municipal government in the Temporary Russian Government. Teacher Panel Rogozarov married Todoritsa Pophinova - sister of pop revolutionaries Anastas Hinov (Lovech) and Popov (Pleven). In this authoritative Lovech family were born two sons: John and Christo. Raised in a patriotic environment, and they decide to devote themselves to the officers' profession.


    Christo P. Rogozarov was born in 1891. Ends of His Majesty the Military School in 1912. with the 32nd class of profile izhenerni troops. Its proceedings are as follows: 12/02/1912 lieutenant, lieutenant - 02.08.1914; Cap .- 20.07.1917; serves consistently pontoon battalion, 2nd Battalion pontoon, the first pioneer group, technical group. Fired up in 1921. In 1937. is attracted to the newly created Labour troops and produced major. Major Hristo Rogozarov is the first head of school to prepare officers to work in 1938. and then again in the period 1940 1941. Hristo Rogozarov is tempted by the history and political journalism. In 1936 published a study "Apostle of freedom Vasil Levski in Teteven. Knight of the Order "For Bravery" and another 6 order.
    Ivan P. Rogozarov is the larger of the two brothers. Born 13.11.1887g. Ends of His Majesty the Military School in the 27th graduating class in 1907 - pioneering account. Proceedings: second lieutenant - 15.08.1907, Lt. - 04.09.1910; captain - 01.11.1915; Major - 24.11.1917. Participant in the Balkan, Balkan and First World wars, gets two Rogozarov Order "For Bravery" - IV v. 1 and 2 Cl serves consistently pontoon battalion, technical Bunch, head of automotive school automotive group. At the end of World War I during the soldiers' riots and the declaration of the so-called. "Radomirska Republic" Major Rogozarov resist the renegade station Kyustendil and scrum was wounded. After the war, in 1919. dismissed. In 1936. was employed as an officer in the Occupational service "and is made colonel. Podpolk. Rogozarov worked as a teacher, created in 1938. School for the preparation of employment officers. After 1940. worked on the staff of Labor and troops in 1944. up to chief of staff. Probably was produced in 1943 by Colonel Labour troops. Editor of the journal Labor Affairs and author of numerous professional articles on military and industrial issues. Rogozarov specializes in pioneering German schools. As a German graduate and pro-German officer set, often the award is to accompany the German military delegation in Bulgaria, where there are close relations with German officers residing in the country.

    to be continued
     
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    Colonel Ivan Rogozarov never been a minister in the Kingdom of Bulgaria before September 9. Never was head of Labour Force (he was chief of staff, which is quite different senior positions). Never was serving in the SS and never wore a foreign uniform, other than Bulgarian. Never involved in combat with the Soviet Army and was killed in that battle in the last hours of the war. On September 9, was not a ofitsalno visit to Germany.
    Since the beginning of 1944. Rogozarov often travel to the Bavarian town of Füssen, where coordination takes place between the Bulgarian and German occupational forces. (It is known that in order to save from deportation Bulgarian Jews, King Boris III mobilize them in the Employment service in several labor camps, constantly points to Reich that he needed the labor force and therefore refused to surrender them to the Germans). He left Bulgaria on September 5, 1944, together with his aide. A few days before it is sent to Germany, his wife Luba and 9-year-old son Ivailo.
    After the formation of emigranstkoto government in Vienna in September 1944, Col. Rogozarov hold office minister of labor and employment service as the only ministers do not live in Vienna and traveling from his home in Füssen. Repeatedly come into conflict with Professor Kantardzhiev, which was Minister of War, resulting in a military responsibility is assumed by the Prime Minister Tsankov. To ensure the political support of the German authorities, immigrant government was forced to announce the creation of volunteer corps. This they did for purely diplomatic reasons. Tsankov and his colleagues are seasoned politicians and perfectly aware that war is already lost. Overseas government directs its efforts to unite the Bulgarian emigration and seeking ways to fall in the area of Anglo-Americans with a guarantee that it will be forwarded to the Soviet forces or the Bulgarian communists. Members of the government arbitrarily delayed formation of the hull and half-heartedly try to dampen the enthusiasm of many volunteers - Bulgarian students and members of organizations Brannik and NNT. Some declarations for entry into the body are "lost" to other youths are reported correctly, and they emit trains fronts - those with "sabotage" the ministers in exile rescue volunteers from many senseless deaths. Anyway, in October 1944 the hull was completed, and based in Dyolershaym military camp near Vienna. Commanders are Rogozarov Colonel Major Todor Zhekov - son of a gene. Nicolas Zhekov (for it will post a separate article) Colonel Captain Nikola Kostov. Ivan Ivanov. The housing consists of 3 companies of 150 people and trained by German instructors - reserve officers. In April 1945. conflict arises among members of the hull of the squad is accused of desertion and killed during a shootout a few dozen soldiers and sergeants. Corps never left their base in Dyolershaym and is not involved in fights! If he performs tasks, it is only security and patrol missions in the rear in the surrounding areas around the camp. In advance of the Allies body was dissolved and the military dressed in civilian clothes mingle with the population. The main figures of the Corps and overseas government under foreign names seek refuge in other countries: Italy (Col. N. Yordanov Kostov named. It's part of what. "Travel agency, adviser to King Simeon II, died in the 70's years in Madrid), Germany (Major T. Zhekov went to his father and King Ferdinand in Coburg) or South America (Prof. Katnardzhiev left for Brazil) to prevent the capture and surrender to the Russians or the Bulgarian Communist rule. Some are hiding for months and then be passed to the Americans or they live under an alias (brothers Alexander and Assen Tsankov becoming inch).
    Regiment. Rogozarov has died in battle on May 9, 1945., As the legendary version. Probably recruited by U.S. authorities at the end of 40 years for the Cold War against communism. There are unconfirmed reports that the colonel involved in the organization of diversionary groups entering secretly in Bulgaria from Greece and assist Goryanskoto movement. Name Rogozarov mentioned during interrogations in the process captured against a "saboteur" as organizer assisted by U.S. military bases in Greece and Gorani Radio Goryanin. Ivan Rogozarov died in 1956. Frankfurt.
     
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    Please, be so kind to write in Russian. Not everybody here understands English. Thank you!
     
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    It is the single Bulgarian young people have participated in his will as volunteers in the SS parts. Meeting information for several Bulgarians who took part in the German army, and even receive a German pension after the war. It is important to emphasize that it is not about Bulgarian officers and certainly these isolated cases should not be confused with the volunteer corps. There is also the German Operational Command have developed the ability to create a Bulgarian SS part. This, however, effectively never formed.
    Assessment of the role of the volunteer corps is mixed. While creating the outbound government has its own logic and political arguments lies in the fact that the Soviet occupation of Bulgaria, the actions of the Bulgarian officers things are true. Officer under oath and military laws have been obliged to carry out orders without question the political leadership of the country. We should note that Bulgaria declares war on Germany by an act of the Cabinet of Konstantin Muraviev - regularly elected and legitimate government, acting on behalf of the Bulgarian king. Political arguments of this act may be controversial, but one thing is indisputable: a Bulgarian officer who swore to the king's participation in the army, with which the country is at war is a violation of the oath. Our army is inserted in the war against Germany against their will. The front leaving no Communists and Bulgarian officers and their soldiers, as I said, volunteer corps never entered into battle, a rear guard German in Austria. But to guard the rear means that your place of front left a German soldier who will shoot your colleagues - officers under oath by your brothers in your soldiers in your blood.
    Another viewpoint also has its reasons: In the actions and intentions hull helps delay the Soviet Army and retain march Bolshevik mob in Europe. This will recognize anyone who does not accept uncritically the liberal historical paradigm imposed by the victors, according to which in World War II defeated the best that the world gets rid of the "brown plague". If this reasoning is fully true for European Jews to England and France, the nations of Eastern Europe can legitimately say "thank you for such a" good "that saving someone from Nazism, Communism bequeathed other, so that in 50 years millions of human beings in half a continent to be subject to extermination and humiliation "Glory to God in Europe today finally communism was convicted along with Nazism and declared a crime against humanity. This so-delayed act of condemnation creates a new moral dilemma: Can we unilaterally condemn those Bulgarians who supported last izdihaniya the Third Reich after their colleagues were fighting under the command of Stalinist communism in the composition of the Third Ukrainian Front? Bulgarian officers who fought against Germany were forced to do so - behind them in Bulgaria were their families, their commanders, their colleagues arrested - held hostage by the Bolsheviks. They naively thought that by participating in the war will redeem his life - his and that of their relatives. Many of them were cheated in that his naiveté.
    Many of the volunteer corps of combatants after the war put at the service of the U.S. - the bases "Lavrion and away. Kiriyakos in Greece, and later called. The Bulgarian company in NATO. " New dilemma: do you have a moral right in the name of fighting communism to put at the service of a foreign country, that that which made verlomno shame and killed hundreds of women and children under carpet bomb the streets of London?
    Where is the dignity of the officer placed in the service of a foreign country, regardless of who she is and what fight? With the Russians against the Germans with the Germans against the Russians, the Americans against the Bulgarian Communists ... dilemma oath the yard of the Military School, which every participant in the events is decided according to your own conscience.
    In memory of some Bulgarian officers that the events of September 1944 welded to the territory of the Reich - as a Bulgarian military-diplomatic representatives of education in different schools or personal work in Germany, they see the Corps with squeamish contempt. Most of these officers - German anti-communists and students prefer to return to Bulgaria, giving you a clear account of what awaits them there. Without pathos and drama izlishnen they accept their fate. Do not seek refuge either in the Reich or in the Allies, though in the depot (German - after September 2 and American - later) turns out to be their constant psychological pressure, coupled with attractive offers.
    In conclusion, I must say that today, 65 years later, the ratio of surviving "royal" officers to the participants in the volunteer corps is peaceful and devoid of extremes and policy evaluation. For living veterans we talked, Tsankov volunteers, and later the "infiltrator" entering from Greece and Turkey are just their colleagues from the Military School, which in a complicated life situation have made their choice.
    Having passed through all the circles of hell participants in the events refrain from categorical evaluation even after 90-year life time, we as one ordinary readers of history will not do it. Lekovato would seem frivolous and even offensive.
    Recent months the activities of Col. John Rogozarov pass under conditions of severe moral, political and purely life choices. Whatever be the evaluation of its solutions - from "Hosanna" to "Crucify him", she can not and should not replace the contribution of military figure Rogozarov the history of the army of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. In defense of the honor of Pago will point out that Ivan Rogozarov is primarily a Bulgarian officer with nearly 35 years of exemplary career podagog, publicist, one of the founders of the Labour troops, decisive man who showed heroism against the enemies of Bulgaria, Knight of the double Order "For Bravery" and as such will sleep peacefully eternal.
     
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    мне абсолютно все равно кем считали себя эти, главное они - были подданными Болгарии и как таковые были учтены немцами
     
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    Болгарии??? Значит помаки ибо торбеши были под шиптарями"итальяшками"
     
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    В газете КОНР "За Родину" от 23.11.44 вышла небольшая заметка о формировании "Болгарского освободительного корпуса".
     

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    то что формирование существовало, это исторический факт и мне кажется сомнений быть не может. Напомните кончину этого формирования и судьбу его бойцов пожалуйста !