Акция "Bandenkampf" - Prlov 2012

судя по выводам "серьезность" этого форума нуждается в серьезной проверке. Словаков в В-СС были единицы

 

Не опускайтесь до уровня курилки, Вам не к лицу.

Я не утверждал, что личный состав ягдкоманды Йозеф состоял из словаков-эсэсовцев. Командный состав состоял из судетских немцев, костяк личного состава из хорошо обученных диверсантов, остальные части переподчинялись в зависимости от конкретных операций.

"В сентябре 1944г. были сформированы отряды быстрого реагирования Глинковой гвардии, служащие ее полевых рот носили немецкие униформы и подчинялись напрямую Sicherheitdienstem и Sicherheitpolizei. Их противопартизанские части "Edelweiss", "Snežienka", "Jozef", ZbV 7, 15, 27, 29 насчитывали 2568 человек." (Charles K. Kliment, Břetislav Nakládal, "Slovenská armáda 1939-1945", издательство "Naše vojsko", 2003 г.)

Это ситуация, схожая с переводом военнослужащих из Бранденбурга в части Скорцени, далеко не все из них успели перевестись в войска СС.

 

уровень курилки - это когда считают, что в ягдкоманде не было камуфляжа

 

К сожалению, конструктивной беседы не получилось, увы...

 

додам фото по темі
http://www.sud.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/akce/prlov-1945-2012/

 

Hope Kameraden from "Frw. Füs. Btl. 14" like these last photos (or some of them... ) and have enjoyed this event. My favourite is still 4th from end (Gruppenfoto, me on left), first ever made with period camera. And thanx for your nice photos in this topic !
And to "camo case": problem is, that we and organizators have only one period photo of this unit (Kurbat´s post Nr. 45). So then we were asked to look like this... Unfortunately, this is photo from "Übung". So no-one really knows, how these men looked like in "operation" against Prlov... BTW. I don´t know, how it was exactly, when they were in some TÜP like Beneschau/Böhmen (on some photos from this area they have lack of camo, only smock/helmet cover or without camo, but maybe that depended on ocassion ??? f. ex. in "fight simulations" ?). Also we were told by one of organizators, that these werent "front units", so they didn´t have any camo, maybe only SS-Zeltbahns... Hard to say. Then if i know, there isn´t any point in memories of surviving civilians/Germans/Slovaks, how these SS units looked like. All of them had in that time another thoughts.... PS: We should also see, that some of Waffen-SS Div. have only lack of camo things at war-end, and fact, that classic helmet covers and smocks were made only to the end of 1943 (then they should be replaced by "dots" and only rests of classic camos were worn)...
Difficult problem. Next time maybe we´ll try to do it little bit different ??? ​

 

We have plans to visit you guys this year,and I think it would not be the last time))))
The invent was good,all of us liked it.As personally for me I like to meet new people!
The atmosphere was real cool,one uniform but different languages,like it was before back in the 40-th.

 

Peter,if you did not understood that,guys were arguing about "to be or not to be" ))))))
or better "to wear or not to wear" ,anyway we will see in the nearest future what exactly should be done different!

 

Yes, I understood, everything OK, no problem (Im using translator).
But another thing is too much "double decals" on helmets (some in CZ critisized it on us). Problem is, when we weren´t using helmet covers, everyone could see double decals. Think it´s quite period incorrect in 45 (but have same problem on my M35 ). Another problem are different insignias - there were three units (14.SS, RFSS. HJ...). I know, it would be different to remove cufftitles atd., everyone is doing his unit. But for audience it could be little bit confusing ? Heer units can look almost the same. Ideal would be plain uniform 42/43/44 with only SS runes and sleeve eagle...

 

Got that,but....
So the best is to use m-42 for that event.
As for the insignia,Its 1945 so in that certain area we could found alot of different units,4 example one of my good friend ( vet from Gal.Div) was in the training in Nurenberg after he never returned to the Divison,the war was over and at that time he was not that far from Prague!
When I asked him : " who was with you?!"
He replaid " guys from different div."
So maybe is better to try one more story ?!

 

Hard to say, what is best choice , depends on taste and everyones unit ?
Interesting, do you have his memories recorded and more info about him ? Btw. but, these units werent classical front units. But as we will see, they could be from various SS units. These SS men could be from:
"Einheit Josef" - On the territory of Slovakia and in spring 1945 in the south-eastern Moravia worked SS Jagdverband Südost - one part was SS-Jagdeinsatz Slowakei - part of this was Einheit Josef. This unit was intended for terrorist, diverse and intelligence tasks behind enemy lines. It was composed mostly of Slovaks and Slovak-Volksdeutsche, mainly from members of the Hlinka Gards and partly, mainly in command positions were Sudetendeutsche. They used civil clothes when simulating partisans for provocations, often wore Slovak military uniforms, but in "sharp" actions such as Ploština and Prlov they were dressed in W.SS uniforms. HQ of Josef was in April 1945 in Vizovice.
ZbV (= Zur besonderen Vervendung) Kommando 31 - "worked" together with Josef in area of Vizovice and was formed from units retreated from Belegrad through Hungary. HQ was at Rožnov pod Radhoštěm. This Komando had etwa. 100 men. Unit was under the direct control of GeStaPo in Brno. Task was to provide Heer calm behind the frontline (what means mainly "Bandenkampf"). With ZbV was attached also company of SchuPo.