Германия, Франция, Голлания. Где копать?

BBG, я, кажется, случайно стёр в личке Ваше сообщение касаемо Магдебурга.
Если не затруднит- продублируйте. Danke!

 

Союзники их долбили ваще!!!!!!!

 

Теперь только после Wochenende.

 

прив!!всем SSergei я во франции мож скооперируемся!!!! а насчет можно или нельзя копать тут, надо поточнее пробить! а то повяжут потом со штрафами за.....уд!

 

мда тема стухла поздно я! жаль придется одному!

 

Вот законы на использование МД в разных странах,извиняйте что на английском.

The Law Regarding Metal Detecting
Outside the United Kingdom (including Jersey)
Amended Feb 2005
This report has been written to provide available information on the law in other
countries. Every effort has been made to verify its correctness but anyone wishing
to metal detect overseas should satisfy themselves of the legal situation at the
time they intend traveling.
CONTENTS
Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Northern Ireland,
Southern Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jersey. Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta,
Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey
AUSTRIA
The use of metal detectors in archaeological contexts on land or underwater requires an
excavation permission issued by the Austrian Federal Monument Authority
(Bundesdenkmalamt) because such use is considered to constitute an `excavation for the
purpose of discovery and exploration of movable and immovable monuments' in the sense
of Section II of the Austrian law for the protection of monuments. Such permissions are in
general not issued to private individuals.
BELGIUM
Information still awaited.
CYPRUS
Under Section 2(1) (a) of the antiquities law of 1935 (amended 1973) any object
whether movable or part of immovable property is protected by law.
Section 14 (1) states that ` no person shall excavate or cause excavations to be made
whether on his own land or elsewhere for the purpose of discovering antiquities without a
license'.
Although not specifically mentioning metal detectors, section 14(1) implicitly rules
them out, nor can a landowner legally give permission for a search to be carried
out if it results in excavation.
DENMARK
Restrictions
There are a number of historical and archaeological sites where it is totally
forbidden to use a metal detector.
On public land it is the local community that decides whether metal detectors may be
used. It is estimated that approximately 50% of the public land is closed to metal detecting.
On public woodland the forest superv isor decides whether or not a metal detector may be
used. In most cases permission is not granted.
There is hardly any problem on public beaches as to forbid metal detecting would
discriminate against a class of people and, therefore, a child would not be able to use a
bucket and spade etc.
Apart from seeking permission of the landowner, no restrictions on private land.
FINDS AND REWARDS - THE RIGHTS OF THE FINDER
Any coins minted after the coin reform in the 19th Century can be retained by the finder
otherwise all coins and artefacts must be delivered to the National Museum.
The finder is awarded a cash sum for the find although, as this is determined by the
National Museum, it is always below the market value. It is very rare that the finder is
allowed to keep his find.
FUTURE TRENDS
Archaeologists recognise the benefits to be derived from seeking cooperation not
confrontation and this is improving the relationship.
The method of calculating rewards is being challenged by the media and will probably
result in change in the future.
FINLAND
All moveable objects, such as coins, weapons etc over one hundred years old should be
reported with an indication of context (Antiquities Act 1963, Section 16).
This legislation does not rule out the use of metal detectors.
FRANCE
The use of metal detectors was controlled by the use of the war time Patrimony Act 1941
but, on the 18 December 1989 Law Number 89-900 (NOR: MCCX8900 163L) was
adopted. However see appendix (L542) adopted in 2004.
Article 1: No one may use metal detecting equipment for the purpose of searching for
monuments and objects which could interest (concern?) prehistory, history, art or
archaeology without first having obtained administrative authorisation issued according to
the qualification of the applicant and also the nature and method of searching.
Article 2: All publicity and instructions on the use of metal detectors must carry the warning
of the prohibition stated in Article 1, the penalties involved and also the reason for this
legislation.
Article 3: Every infringement of the present law will be noted by officers, police agents and
other law enforcement officers, as well as by officials, agents and guardians of Article 3 of
the law number 80-532 of 15 July 1980 relative to the protection of public collections
against acts of vandalism.
Article 4: The reports drawn up by the various persons designated by Article 3 above will,
until proved to the contrary, be given or sent, without delay, to the public prosecutor of the
Republic in the jurisdiction where the offence was committed.
Under French law the enactment of legislation is followed by the Decree which determines
how the law will be applied. In this case the Decree states:
Article 1 The authorisation to use metal detectors, provided for by Article1 of the 18
December 1989 Law is granted, on the demand of the interested party, by the license of
the Prefect of the region in which the land to be searched is situated.
The request for authorisation must establish the identity, competence and experience of
the applicant as well as the location, scientific objective and the duration of the searches to
be undertaken.
When the searches are to be carried out on land which does not belong to the applicant,
the written application must be accompanied by a document of consent written by the
owner of the land and, if appropriate, anyone else who has the right.
Article 2 Anyone who uses a metal detector to carry out searches of the sort described in
Article 1 of the Law without having first obtained the authorisation required or who does
not observe the requirements described in Article 1 of this Decree will be punished by the
fine applicable for contraventions of the fifth class.
The equipment used in the infringement will be confiscated.
Article 3 Whoever publicises or draws up publicity for, or draw up information about the
use of metal detectors and fails to draw attention to the requirements of Article 2 of the
Law will be punished according to the penalties applicable for offences of the fifth class.
Beaches are believed to be outside this Law.
Appendix (L542)
Art L542: No one can use equipment allowing metal target detection, to search
monuments for objects of interest to pre-history, history, art or archaeology, without having
first obtained an administrative authorisation, which may be given depending on the
qualification of the applicant, as well as the nature of and reason for the research. Those
who contravine are liable ti fines within the band class 5. The purpose of this regulation is
the protection of archaeological sites. The authorisation of archaeological research using
metal detectors requires the permission of the prefect of the area concerned.
GERMANY
The 1992 law on the search for, and preservation of antiquities, covers all objects
belonging to the ancient period, early Christianity and the Middle Ages.
Excavation requires a licence and work may not be carried out, without permission, near
an antiquity in such a way as to affect it directly or indirectly. All accidental discoveries
must be reported. Rewards are made equal to 50% of value if found on public land and
100% if on private land.
Although the 1932 Act does not refer to metal detectors, any items found by its use are
covered by the Act.
NORTHERN IRELAND
The law in Northern Ireland is not the same as mainland England and the use of metal
detectors is covered by the Historic Monuments Act (NI) 1971 which states:
Part IV Section 11: A person shall not, save under and in accordance with a licence .....dig
or excavate in or under any land ..... for the purpose of searching generally for
archaeological objects ....
Part IV Section 12: The finder of any archaeological object ..... shall, within fourteen days
of such finding, report the circumstances .... to the Director of the Ulster Museum .... or to
the officer in charge of a police station.
SOUTHERN IRELAND
The National Monuments (Amendment) Act 1987 (Section 2) states:
Subject to the provisions of this section a person shall not:
1a: Use or be in possession of a detection device in, or at the site of, a monument
of which the Commissioners or a local authority are the owners or guardians or in
respect of which a preservation order is in force or which stands registered in the
Register or
2a. in an archaeological area that stands registered in the Register or
3a. in a Registered area
OR
b: Use, at a place other than a place specified in paragraph a of this subsection, a
detection device for the purpose of searching for archaeological objects or
c: Promote, whether by advertising or otherwise, the sale or use of detection
devices for the purpose of searching for archaeological objects.
Note: `Archaeological area' is defined as ` an area which the Commissioners
consider to be of archaeological importance but does not include the area of a
historical monument standing entered in the Register'.
Section 40 states that `Where in a prosecution for an offence under this section it
is proved that a detection device was used, it shall be presumed until the contrary
is proved that the device was being used for the purpose of searching for
archaeological objects'.

 

Продолжение !

ISRAEL
The Antiquities Act 1978, Section 9a states that `no person shall excavate in a private
property for the purpose of discovering antiquities, nor search for antiquities in any other
manner, including the use of metal detectors, nor gather antiquities unless he has received
a licence for such from the Director. Breach of this section carries a liability to
imprisonment for a term of 3 years or a fine of =A3150,000'.
Section 38 of the same Act states that `any person found on an antiquity site, in whose
possession or in whose immediate vicinity are found excavation tools and it can be
assumed that they were recently used in excavation work at the site, or in whose
possession or in whose immediate vicinity is found a metal detector, is presumed to have
intended to discover antiquities unless he proves that he has no such intention.
ITALY
The 1939 Act of the custody of artistic and historic objects affords protection to all objects
and coins of historical or archaeological value including coins. All objects are State
property and must be reported to the Superintendency of Arts. Rewards may be offered up
to 1/4 of the value.
Metal detecting is forbidden in the following areas:
Val D'AOSTA
TOSCANA
LAZIO
CALABRIA
SICILIA
Coins found minted after 1500 can be kept by the finder and 10% of their value has to be
paid to the landowner.
JERSEY
(Statement Of Detecting Regulations In Jersey)
Metal detecting in Jersey is primary a beach/foreshore activity around the island.
Unless, you have permission by a land owner to search there fields, so long as there is
no archaeological monument within the land, or other sites as stated below having an
SSI status... the area’s to avoid are: St. Ouen inland dunes at the 5 mile road, also
Jersey/National Trust land, and historic sites/buildings as expected.
We have no treasure trove law in Jersey, however there are four things to consider that
are in law, operating as statute for control within, our hobby on the Island ...
(1). Parks and Common Land areas are subject to policing, these are no-go-areas.
(2). SSI - Sights of Special Interest, cover all historic sites and buildings in jersey, these
are no-go-areas, “with one exception as below” (a).
(a). However, one Extended Beach Area, starting from La Collette in St. Helier, East Coast
going around Northward through to Greve D’Azette, Green Island, Le Hocq, La Rocque,
and into the bay of Grouville upto Gorey Harbour, allows you to beach detect and recover
finds in these areas, but keep in mind the sites marine environment, this is why it has an
SSI placed on it.
(3). Metals of Gold/Silver, rings or the like with person/persons loss incurred, requires the
finder to take the item into our police station, at Rouge Bouillon in St Helier ; where details
would be taken and if the item is not claimed, it becomes either crown property, or
returned to the finder in time.
(4). Lastly, Jersey has a Custom & Excise Law, policing objects of historic interest, and are
restricted from going out of the island, without a license...
So if you recover a find or finds that have a date of 50 years or more, you need a Custom
Licence No. 108, to be granted export for the find after the find/object has been assessed
by our Jersey Heritage Trust, at La Houge Bie Museum to determine its context for
recording, and for the islands history the museum might, buy the find.
Its likely, you will recover mainly recent and Victorian, plus badly worn 1600 French
coinage, also the usual dross left behind towards the top of the beach, however rings can
be a good source particularly very thin ones, if you have a detector good at recovering thin
gold and silver, you could do well; so good luck, and if your a visitor to the island, enjoy
your stay.
Jersey Metal Detecting Society: 2004/5.
LIECHTENSTEIN
The 1977 Monument Protection Act requires the declaration of any antiquities
found in the soil. A government permit is necessary for archaeological excavations.
LUXEMBOURG
The 1966 Act on excavations and movable cultural objects states that `all search and
excavations with the aim of discovery or bringing to light objects or sites of historical
interest can only be made with the authorisation of the Minister for Arts and Sciences'.
The use of metal detecting for unauthorised searching is widespread and, in the view of
the Ministry of Justice, is in contravention of the law.
MALTA
The 1925 - 1974 Antiquities Protection Act affords protection to all objects, both movable
and immovable, which are more than 50 years old. Excavation can only be carried out with
government authorisation (Article 1). The reporting of accidental finds is compulsory
(Article 10).
Since 1979 there has been a ban on the import of any metal detectors of sufficient
sensitivity to be of any danger to archaeological sites.
NETHERLANDS
Information to follow.
NORWAY
Section 4 of the Cultural Heritage Act 1978 lists a wide range of specified objects, both
fixed and movable, dating from before 1937 which are protected.
Section 3 also provides protection from unauthorised excavation. The ownership of all
objects older than 1537 and of coins older that 1650 is vested in the State (Section 12, a
and b). Section 13 requires that all finds should be reported to the authorities who will fix a
suitable reward. There is no specific reference to metal detectors.
PORTUGAL
There has been some new legislation introduced recently which prohibits searching for
archaeological material without a permit. To obtain a permit, please apply to the Ministry of
Culture in Portugal.
SPAIN
The Spanish Tourist Office in London advises in their General Information sheet:
Metal Detectors: The use of metal detectors is not allowed unless an import license for the
detector has previously been issued. Further enquiries should be made to the Spanish
Commercial Office.
The Commercial Office at the Spanish Embassy, if asked, provide the following written
information:
1. The use of metal detectors could involve considerations of the Law and Regulations
governing artistic or archaeological finds, involving national heritage and treasure trove, as
provided by the very detailed Law of 25th June 1985 (Historical Heritage); and the Royal
Decree of 10th January 1986 which develops it.
2. If anything is found, therefore, it would be necessary to comply with the complex
procedures outlined in these enactments; and it would certainly not be possible for any
finds to be taken out of Spain until the proper Authorities had given their consent. That
could take months; and if the article in question is classified as part of the national artistic
heritage, and/or is over 100 years old, it is not likely to receive an export permit either at
all, or for a very long time, owing to the complexity of the procedures.
The second aspect is a technical one. The Royal Decree of 25th November 1987, which
deals with nuclear energy and radio-activity, lays down rules and safeguards against
radiation. The Order of 20th March 1975 sets out the homologation rules for radio-active
apparatus. The metal detector in question may not comply with those rules.
There is a third aspect. The local Naval Authorities have been known to complain because
the use of metal detectors has interfered with electronic communications.
All in all, therefore, it is preferable not to use metal detectors in Spain.
December 1989
SWEDEN
Section 19 of the 1988 Act which prohibited metal detecting in the countries of Gotland
and Oland has now been extended to include all of Sweden.
SWITZERLAND
No legislation specifically refers to metal detecting by private individuals, though legislation
exists to ban unauthorised search or excavation of antiquities.
TURKEY
The 1973 Antiquities Act carries very extensive lists of movable and immovable objects
protected including places of ancient settlement or places where there are vestiges of
ancient civilisations (Article 1). All objects are the property of the State (Article 3 ) and
reporting is obligatory (Article 4) but a reward system exists (Article 47).
There is a specific provision against treasure hunting, illicit excavation and dealing in
antiquities (Article 51 - 52). Unauthorised treasure hunting carries a penalty of 2 - 5 years
imprisonment and fines of =A35,000 to =A310,000 (Article 47

 

слушай, тут где то под Оснабрюк поле боя недавно нашли, римляне с Германцами бились, а нашол это поле один такойже любител как и мы

 

спс завтро к переводчику пойду блин как мне тут на чужбине единомышленников найти?

 

надеюсь он тута бывает,тоскливо мне на чужбине одному по лесу гулять!

 

А чужбина это где?

 

это он про Францию

 

Аааа, тогда ему наверно действительно придётся одному копать.

 

Тогда уж и Бельгию добавьте в название темы.
Интересует где можно в Бельгии покопать? И на сколько это законно?
В районе Арден происходила знаменитая "битва за выступ" - "battle of the bulge". Что можно на русском почитать онлайн?

 

Товарищу из Франции копать там не советую,французы сильно ужесточили и без того суровые законы относительно использования МД. Если жандармы заметят за этим занятием,то мало не покажется,МД конфискуют и это в лучшем случае! Насчет пляжей вроде можно там с МД,за исключениев мемореальных мест где например в 44-ом высадились союзники, в любом случае лучше все уточнить на месте.Для жандармов вид МД это как красная тряпка для быка! В Бельгии кажется такие же законы как и во Франции. В Голландии все демократичнее,главное все за собой убирать,спрашивать разрешение у землевладельцев,а о найденных ВОПах сообщать куда следует. Про Германию на форуме ест тема,законы не пойми какие,в одних землях копать можно,в других запрещено.

 

В 2009 году во время празднования годовщины высадки в Нормандии, случайно попали в гости к французскому копачу. Он копает на местах боев в Нормандии. Не могу точно сказать, на пляжах или в более удаленных районах. Копанины у него дома куча. Мы забрали по орбойме на гаранд так, на память. Кроме того хотели забрать немецкий пехотный миномет, но подумав, решили не вгонять в ступор народ в аэропорту.

 

Все это до поры до времени. Может уже и не копает,нечем...
Вот обновленный французский закон.

The new French regulations conceirning digging/searching and picking up relics from French battlefields;

.....On our first search day (we had the intention to dig very carefully), we are deep in the forest when we got caught by a Forestier. A Forestier, is a French forester. Some Forestier has something more judicial powers then the foresters we are used to. Adorned with gun and handcuffs he told us the following:

1. The battlefields of France have been declared to historical sites of the French state;
2. All items in or on the battle fields is owned by the state;
3. Taking something / or picking up is the theft of the French state;

How futile, rusty or trivial picked up the article may be the law condemns it as theft of the French state for which the fines are strict.

However, if they have the impression it has to do with tourists with a purpose other than a 'souvenir' pick is also another law (eg in the Somme, Champagne, Verdun, Meuse and Argonne)

Have in possession:
1. a detector, or
2. spades, digging tools (a garden spade is too much), or
3. parts or components of ammunition;

Then immediate confiscation of their vehicle until the fine (FF 20,000 / € 3100, -) is payed. The French government is willing to containment of the offender (s) until this decision is respected.

 

просто ну очень руки чешутся! а с кем?? да и кто прояснит мне тут, что да как, ну при придется с прутком грибы собирать! но все равно спс!

 

ех французы отзовитесь))) вспомним в месте 1812г)

 

теперь еще за перевод мне тут платиь но все равно спс!

 

Grig,Французы думаю не отзовутся,а наших поищите,не один же вы во Франции живете! Мой вам совет,поищите в инете карты высадки союзников,где были бои и линии фронта,сравните с современными картами,съездите на место,пройдитесь без МД и лопаты по удаленным местам,лесу, в общем там,где не ходят толпы туристов. Слышал,что там до сих пор по верхам можно что нибудь найти. В общем осмотритесь и оцените ситуацию на месте.
Что касается перевода,выделите текст,правом кликом мыши выберете IE Translator, в открывшемся переводчике выбираете язык и все! Перевод правда будет не особо грамотный,но смысл будет понятен.
Удачи !

 

дружище спасибо! именно этим я и займусь!

 

Не забудьте отписаться о результатах!

 

даже не обсуждается! естественно!

 

закон какбэ и не запрещает, но и не одобряет) основной нюанс - частная собственность - если договориться, то без проблем, а если нет, то вобщем то тоже без проблем, если ты не наносишь существенного вреда угодьям/ферме, то с большой долей вероятности они даже подойти спросить что и как поленяться...ну и за забор конечно лазить не стоит)
местные в основном по монеткам ударяют - благо богатая история позволяет)