Дивізії Танковые дивизии / Panzer-Divisionen

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дивизия «Герман Гёринг»
Hermann Göring Division
from regiment to fallschirmpanzerkorps
The History of Division Hermann Göring
1933-1945: Part 1
Less than one month after Hitler’s ascension to power, Hermann Göring, the Prussian Minister of the interior, ordered the creation of a special police unit which would be capable and willing to stamp out any spark of resistance before it could become a treat to the young National Socialist movement. The formation of this unit was entrusted on February 23, 1933, to Polizemajor Wecke of the Prussian Police Force. Two days later Major Wecke reported that his police detachment for special purposes (Polizeabteilung z.b.v.), with a strength of 14 officers and 400 men, had been established.
On March 16th 1935 Hitler introduced general conscription to the German nation and on the 1st April the Polizeabteilung was adopted the more military designation of Regiment “General Göring”. In September of that year, regimental commander Oberstleutnant received the following orders from Göring, which dated September 23 “The regiment General Göring will be transferred into the Luftwaffe on October 1, 1935. From volunteers of the regiment, a Fallschirmschützen-Bataillon is to be established as a cadre for the future Fallschirmtruppe…See chart 1 ”

Musikkorps
I. Jäger-Bataillon/RGG (Chosen to become the Fallschirm Jäger cadre)
II. Jäger-Bataillon/RGG
13. Kradschützen-Kompanie/RGG
14. Pionier- Kompanie/RGG
Reiterzug/RGG
Nachrichtenzug/RGG
III. Flak-Abteilung/RGG

Musikkorps
I. Flak-Abteilung/RGG
II. Flak-Abteilung/RGG
III. Scheinwerfer-Abteilung/RGG
IV. Flak-Abteilung/RGG
Reserve- Scheinwerfer-Abteilung/RGG
Eisenbahn-Flak-Batterie
Ersatz-Abteilung/RGG

In January 1936, the I/Jäger-Bataillon/RGG and the 15/Pionier- Kompanie/RGG were transferred to the Fallschirm-schule at Döberitz whilst the remainder of the Regiment was sent to the training area at Altengrabow were it was reorganized. On August 21, 1936 Major Walther von Axthelm assumed command of the Regiment. As recruits, all volunteers had to meet high physical standards and were carefully selected and rigorously trained. In return the advantage of belonging to the unit was that it combined many service branches and thus offered many varied opportunities for a military career. In addition it wore a distinctive white Waffenfarbe and a named cuff title “General Göring” and later “Hermann Göring” which distinguished its members in public.
In late March 1938, the IV/Fallschirmschützen-Bataillon and the 15/Fallschirmschützen-Pionier-Kompanie were separated from Regiment “General Göring” and reorganized into a separate unit designation I/Fallschirmjäger-Regiment 1. Almost the entire training cadre for Fallschirmschule Stendal was later to originate from this battalion. In the spring of 1938, the company was expanded to battalion strength under the leadership of Major Richard Heidrich, a former tactics instructor at the Potsdam War School. In March 1938, Regiment “General Göring” was amongst the units to march into Austria and participated in the occupation of the Sudetenland in late that year and also marched into Prague on the 15th March 1939. In all three cases the Regiment gained a lot of publicity. With the loss of the Fallschirmschützen units and the Polish situation becoming more and more heated, the Regiment was once more reorganized, resulting in the following composition – See chart 2.
During the polish campaign, the bulk of the Regiment remained in Germany as Flak defense for greater Berlin and as guard at Göring ‘s headquarters, while only a small portion of the escort unit participated in the ensuing battle. After the fall of Poland, three of the Flak-Abteilungen was secretly transferred to the western front. In the early days of 1940, a special rifle battalion, titled “Detachment Kluge” was formed from one of the Flak-Battalion. This detachment participated in the occupation of Denmark, went by sea to Norway, and was among the units, which drove from Oslo to Drontheim and on to Bodo. During these northern operations, the remainder of the Regiment was held in readiness in the Rhineland and on the Dutch frontier. The long wait final ended on May 10 when components of the Regiment joined the German ground forces, which invaded the Netherlands and France. The crossing of the Maas,
following fights in eastern Belgium, the breaching of the Albert Canal, the breakthrough of the Dyle Line and the occupation of Brussels were the first major phases in the combat history of Regiment “General Göring”. The Regiment was employed in the form of independent battles groups (Kampfgruppen), among which, the Flak units particularly distinguished themselves by cooperating closely with armored and mobile units and proving their effectiveness against Allied armor.
After the Armistice with France, the Regiment was stationed for several weeks on the Channel coast and later on air defense duty in Paris. This latter task was most probably due to Göring’s influence as was the Regiment’s next assignment. In the fall of 1940, the Regiment returned to Germany where it participated in the air defense of Berlin

During the Balkan campaign in early 1941 the Regiment was transferred to Rumania where its mission was to protect the vital oil complex at Ploesti against Allied air attacks. In early summer, it moved to the Bug River, near the town of Sokal, where it held in readiness for the upcoming Russian campaign. The Regiment distinguished itself once again, as it had in the west, in the tank battle of Radziechow, the advance through Dubno and the outflanking of Kiev and Brjansk. Up to October 1941, regimental records listed the following accomplishments of the units engaged to that date: Destroyed 161 aircraft, 324 tanks, 45 bunkers, 167 artillery pieces, 530 machinegun positions and captured 11,000 prisoner. By the end of 1941, the bulk of the Regiment had returned to Germany for refitting, while a newly formed Schützen-Battalion remained in Russia until April of 1942, participating in the defensive battles there. ReichMarshall Göring ordered the Regiment to be expanded to brigade strength in March 1942 and on July 15, 1942, it’s designation was officially changed to Brigade “Hermann Göring” – See chart 3 below.

I Schützen-Regiment HG (Containing 4 Schützen-Kompanies 1 to 4)
II Schützen-Regiment HG (Containing 5 Schützen-Kompanies 5 to 9)
III Schützen-Regiment HG (Containing 5 Kompanies 10 to 14, including panzer Jäger Kompanies, Pionier Jäger Kompanies and Panzer Kompanies)
I Flak-Regiment HG (Containing 6 Batteries 1 to 5 and No.14 Batterie)
II Flak-Regiment HG (Containing 5 Batteries 6 to 9 and No.10 Batterie)
III Flak-Regiment HG (Containing 4 Batteries 11 to 13, including Artillerie-Abteilung)
IV Flak-Regiment HG (Containing 15 to 17 Batterie plus the Musikkorps)
Wachbattalion HG
Ersatzabteilung HG


Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 Hermann Göring

Kommandeure:
Gen Paul Conrath, 21.5.43 - 15.4.44
GenLt Wilhelm Schmalz, 16.4.44 - 3.10.44
GenMaj Hanns-Horst von Necker, 4.10.44 - 5.2.45
GenMaj Max Lemke, 2.45 - 5.45
Ia:
ObLt Hellmut Bergengruen, 6.43 - 1.6.44
ObLt Bern von Baer (Heer), 6.44 - 9.44
Maj Johann-Friedrich von Merkatz (Heer), 6.10.44 - 1.45
Maj Werner Ebel, 1.45 - 25.3.45
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Formed 5.43 in the Santa Maria/Capua Vetere area from remnants of the old division and new parts forming in France. During formation (5.43 to 6.43) known as Division (mot. trop.) Hermann Göring. The Division consisted of the following units (7.43):

Panzergrenadier-Regiment 1 Hermann Göring
Panzergrenadier-Regiment 2 Hermann Göring
Panzer-Regiment Hermann Göring
Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung Hermann Göring
Panzer-Artillerie-Regiment Hermann Göring
Flak-Regiment Hermann Göring
Panzer-Pionier-Bataillon Hermann Göring
Panzer-Nachrichten-Abteilung Hermann Göring
Panzer-Nachschub- und Versorgungstruppen Hermann Göring

In 7.44 the division was renamed Fallschirm-Panzer-Division Hermann Göring, and all units received the prefix "Fallschirm". In about mid July 1944, the division left Italy for the Eastern front. On 24.9.44 the Fallschirm-Panzerkorps Hermann Göring was formed from parts of the division. In 10.44 renamed Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 Hermann Göring, now with the following units:

Fallschirm-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 1 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 2 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Regiment Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 1 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Füsilier-Bataillon 1 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Artillerie-Regiment 1 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Pionier-Bataillon 1 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Nachrichten-Abteilung 1 Hermann Göring
Fallschirm-Panzer-Feldersatz-Bataillon 1 Hermann Göring

The division had no supply units from 10.44, and relied on Fallschirm-Panzerkorps Hermann Göring for supplies. Heavy losses 1.45 by the Weichsel River. 5.45 battlegroup strength only.
The division had served under the following headquarters:

6.43 - 8.43 XIV. AK / OB Süd Sicily
9.43 - 12.43 XIV. AK / AOK.10 Italy
1.44 - 3.44 LXXVI. AK / AOK.14 Italy
4.44 - 5.44 Reserve OKW Italy
6.44 - 7.44 LXXVI. AK / AOK.10 Italy
8.44 XXXXVI. AK / AOK.9 Weichsel
9.44 VIII. AK / AOK.9 Weichsel
10.44 HG / PzAOK.3 Weichsel
11.44 - 12.44 HG / AOK.4 Weichsel
1.45 AOK.4 / Heeresgruppe Mitte Weichsel
2.45 - 3.45 GD / PzAOK.4 Oder/Neiße
4.45 AOK.17 / Heeresgruppe Mitte Schlesien
5.45 HG / PzAOK.4 Erzgebirge

The division stab consisted of the following units in 1943:
Begleit-Kompanie
Kriegsberichterzug
Kartenstelle
Flugbereitschaft
Feldgendarmerietrupp
Musikkorps

The origins of the Fallschirmpanzer Korps Herman Göring and also that of the Fallschirmjäger can be traced right back to the beginning of the NSDAP's rise to power.
The minister of the interior at that time was none other than the W.W.I fighter ace Herman Göring who ordered the creation of a police force who's task it would be to put down any resistance to the Nazi regime swiftly and thoroughly. The task of raising this police force fell to Polizeimajor Wecke who on the 25rd February 1933 reported the establishment of his 414 strong Polizeiabteilung a.b.V.
They were based at at the barracks of the former Prussian koniglin-Elizabeth-Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr.3 in Charlottenburg. The units first objective took place on March 2 1933 when Göring and his new police unit attacked a Communist base in Berlin. It was the first of many raids across Berlin where Communist party activists were known to frequent and during these raids Marxist and Communist ringleaders were rounded up and imprisoned.
On July 17th the organization was re-named Landespolizeigruppe Wecke z.b.V. and later in December it re-named Landespolizeigruppe "General Göring". In April 1935 it was again renamed, this time "The Regiment General Göring" and an order from Göring in September that same year stated that the regiment was to be absorbed into the Luftwaffe and the volunteers would form the cadre for the new German Fallschirmtruppe. In January 1936, the I. Jäger-Battalion/RGG under Major Bruno Bräuer and 15. Pionier Kompanie/RGG were transferred to Doberitz for parachute training with the rest of the regiment sent to Altengrabrow for reorganization with Major Walther von Axthelm resuming command of the regiment in August.
During this time the moral and camaraderie within the General Göring was very high. As with the Waffen SS the selection criteria was very strict and only volunteers were accepted. These volunteers had to be between the ages of 18 and 25, of a minimum height of 1.68 metres, be eligible and fit for military service (no spectacle wearers were accepted), be of Aryan ancestry, have a clean police record with no previous convictions, be unmarried and loyal to the National Socialist cause. These strict guidelines were adhered to until 1942 when slight adjustments were made. The need for the recruits to be German citizens was relaxed and the minimum age was dropped to 17 years old. With the shortage of manpower as the war progressed, many of these new guidelines were not adhered to and numerous replacements drafted in from other Luftwaffe units did not meet this criteria.
Those lucky enough to be accepted into the General Göring Regiment in those early years received many distinct advantages to that of their army and to a certain extent their Waffen SS counterparts. There were several different branches and speciality trades available to them such as grenadier, signaller, engineer etc. Also the barracks they were stationed at in Berlin-Reinickendorf was considered the best barracks in Europe (even better than that of the Waffen SS Officer Training School at Bad Tölz which was considered one of the most modern at the time). It was situated near the Kiefernwald near Berlin and was built under the watchful eye of Göring himself. Up until recently it was occupied by the French and was re-named "Quartier Napoleon".
In 1938 the IV Falschirmschutzen-Batalion and the 15 Fallschirmschutzen Pionier Kompanie were separated from Regiment General Göring and formed into Fallschirmjäger Regiment 1 and this unit can be seen as the originator for the cadre for the Fallschirmschule at Stendahl.
The Regiment Herman Göring participated in all the pre-war occupation offensives in Austria, the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia but played only a small part in the Polish Campaign where most of the Regiment was kept back in Germany as Flak defence and bodyguard for Herman Göring.
In March 1942 after fighting in all the subsequent campaigns it was ordered by Göring that the regiment be expanded to brigade strength and in March 1942 and was re-named "Brigade Herman Göring". The regiment was pulled out of the line for re-organization and an ersatz battalion was trained up in Utrecht in Holland. The control of men and supplies to the Brigade was down to the Special Administrative Staff (SonderStaff) and was based in Berlin along with the Wach Battalion. The bulk of the rest of the brigade based in France.
On 15th October further expansion was undertaken and the brigade was enlarged to divisional status and was officially designated Division "Herman Göring". To fill the required numbers 5000 volunteers and the complete Fallschirmjäger Regiment 5 were absorbed into the new division but this reorganization was far from complete when the Allies advanced in to Tunisia in 1943. A Panzer Division was to be formed from the existing units with the recommendations that the army supply equipment, experienced Officers, NCOs, and Panzerwaffe instructors and commanders. These recommendations brought the addition of 1,500 men per month and saw the transfer of inexperienced Luftwaffe personnel to the army panzer divisions for "on the job training" and experienced panzer officers and NCOs were transferred the the HG Division. All tanks and other equipment (apart from Flak guns were supplied by the army). The training battalion based in Utrecht was expanded to regimental size and also received in it's "Gesenden-Kompanie wounded personnel who released from hospital but were not yet ready for combat duty.
With the relentless Allied advance on Tunisia the division was ordered to move to Italy and the units who's training was not yet complete were to finish there training in Italy where further equipment was also issued to them. The bulk of the division was based at Santa Maria near Naples with the remainder (Gruppe Neuaufstellungen) being garrisoned near Bordeaux in the south of France where they received a further influx of volunteers from southern France.
The 1st and 3rd Fallschirmjäger regiments were the first to see action in Tunisia attached to 10th Panzer Division with the I./Flak Regiment undertaking air defence duties in Naples in December 1942. At this time the Grenadier Regiment HG was also transferred to Italy. During the early part of 1943 the transfer of the division to Africa had begun with the majority of the division landed by March and all units of the HG division in Africa came under the title Kampfgruppe Schmidt. By 1st May the estimated strength of the division in Africa was 11,000 officers and men most of whom surrendered on 12th May to Allied forces.
With this severe setback the remnants of the division in France, Italy and Germany were ordered to speed up their organization as a panzer division which should have been completed in April 1943 but with the despatch of so many important units to Italy and then Tunisia this was not possible. In the Summer of 1943 troops from all over Germany were transferred to Naples in Italy (with the exception of the I and III Abteilung who were based in Holland and the IV Abteilung who were based in Velten near Berlin) where they were fully trained and equipped. These new recruits made up a large part of the Ersatz-u.Ausbildungs-Regiement HG (Replacement and Training Regiment). Those Members of the Herman Göring Panzer Division based in Italy were soon flown to Sicily along with the 15th Panzergrenadier Division to counteract the expected Allied landings there. The Allies in due course and after much stiff German Resistance took Sicily and advanced onto the Italian mainland.
The HG Division was pulled out of Italy in July and sent east to Poland where it engaged the advancing Soviet forces and gave an extremely good account of itself receiving compliments from Generaloberst Walther Model for their gallant defensive actions near Warsaw.
On 1st October 1944, the division was to be expanded further into a Panzer Korps with the addition of a new panzergrenadier division. The numbers required to form the new division came by adding a Fallschirmjägerregiment along with personnel from the Luftwaffe including two signal battalions and a medium sized army artillery battalion. During this time of expansion however the HG Division were constantly engaged in action in East Prussia and by November this expansion seemed a daunting prospect due to the number of casualties sustained and the small number of replacements received. To counter this problem a practice was adopted which was common to many elite units at this time-that of incorporating transferred Luftwaffe officers, NCO's, and infantry personnel with no combat experience who were given very brief basic training and sent to the front-line. By Early 1945 both divisions were combat ready. The make up of the HG Pz Krps at this time was:
Corps commander Generalleutnant Schmalz
Generalkommando
Korpstruppen
Fallschirm-Panzerdivision 1 HG (Generalmajor von Necker-from Feb. '45 Oberst Lemke)
Fallschirm-Panzergrenadierdivision 2 HG (Oberst Walther)
Fallschirm-Panzer Ersatz-und Ausbildungsbrigade HG (Oberst Meyer)
Ausbildungsregiment HG
HeimatStaff HG Berlin
Sonderformation und -dienstellen
The Fallschirm-Panzer Division 1 HG was transferred from East Prussia to Litsmannstadt where it was thrust into the fighting alongside another elite unit- the Großdeutschland Panzer Korps (minus it's panzer grenadier division which had remained in East Prussia) and the Panzer Division HG was assigned to Großdeutschland Panzerkorps was under direct leadership of General der Panzertruppe Jauer and in March near Konigsbruck near Saxony it achieved it's last victory of the war by annihilating the 1st Polish Division which at the time was under the command of the Soviets.
At the time of the German capitulation they were fighting north of Dresden and with the news of the surrender immediately set out westwards in the hope of reaching the American lines but were cut off by a Soviet armoured thrust from Berlin and only a few were able to reach the safety of the American lines. Those who were captured by the Soviets received lengthy sentences in prison with the last of them being released in 1956.
It has been suggested that the formation of this division (later Panzerkorps) was totally unnessecery-as was the formation of so many Luftwaffe Field Divisions and the personnel of these formations could have been better utilized elsewhere (Field Marshal Rommel was one such person who held this view). Certainly Göring saw these formations (along with the Fallschirmjäger) as his own private army (as did Himmler with the Waffen SS) and wanted anything connected with flying under his jurisdiction. Whether this was a good or bad decision is debatable but he did use his influence to obtain the best equipment for his divisions and the HG Pz Kps did prove themselves a most formidable fighting force during the defensive battles in Italy and on the Eastern front during the latter part of the war. Testimony to this is the high number of Knight's Crosses won by it's troops.

 

Наверное это сюда. Подъем StuGа – IV в 2009 г.Польша

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9WQfYr2arQ – подъем шасси

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0YNLPJ-1V0 - рубка с пушкой

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSvTHbDZl5Y - снаряды

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrE_Ve8RX0 - запуск движка

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Xq9vm2kz8 - отреставрированный

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8AQPiFsTPw –первые выезды
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRu3Ii9BcN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Baj0McF954
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwkJbTcjZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKPGG3jYzUc

И на закуску :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ish3wtqiHKQ - подъем Хетцера

 

http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/
отсюда тоже можно подчерпнуть инфы, иногда попадаются интересные фотки

 

Франц Куровски в своей работе "Котёл смерти в Курляндии" говорит нам, что 22 августа 1944г. 14-я танковая дивизия получила в качестве пополнения танковую роту в составе 20 боеспособных танков Т-6"Тигр" под командованием майора Гильберта. Друзья, интересует вошла ли эта рота в 36-й танковый полк как штатное подразделение и откуда она вообще взялась? Может она временно вышла из подчинения какого то ТТБ и была передана дивизии, тогда интересует какому батальону она принадлежала и сколько провоевала в составе 14-й танковой?

 

Эта рота, как выяснилось, просто все оставшиеся на тот момент на ходу "Тигры" 510-го ТТБ. Который и был подчинён 14-й ТД. А майор Курт Гильберт командир этого батальона.

 

http://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/1081...vykh-viisk-vermakhtu-narodyvsia-na-Zakarpatti

 

Подскажите, где взять информацию по потерям 14 и 24 ТД за август 42г.

 

обратитесь к Alex1982, он вроде собирал информацию по потерям

 

Звали
Ну я вас разочарую, а заодно посоветую в плане потерь эту книгу по 14 т.д. не покупать:
http://www.amazon.com/Die-Panzer-Di...UTF8&qid=1373373152&sr=1-5&keywords=14+panzer
Там по общим потерям только данные по 36 т.п. и то за период с 7 июля 42 года по 19 ноября 42 года - убито 9+101, безвести - 8, ранено 28+233, а общих по дивизии нет!

Есть еще такое (но там другой период):
Несмотря на приказ ставки вермахта о переходе к стратегической обороне на всём советско-германском фронте (14.10.1942), немецкие войска предприняли новый "штурм" Сталинграда, который Гитлер решил взять во что бы это ни стало. Для этого из Резерва Главного Командования в город были переброшены несколько отдельных сапёрных батальонов и артиллерийских дивизионов. В ходе ожесточённых боёв 14-20 октября немецкие войска заняли территорию Сталинградского Тракторного завода и вновь прорвались к Волге. Советские войска в свою очередь предприняли наступление на северный фланг 6 армии. Только в первый день нового "штурма" города 305 пехотная дивизия потеряла свыше 380 человек, в 14 танковой дивизии выбыло из строя 140 человек. За пять дней боёв, две немецкие танковые дивизии (14 и 24 тд) потеряли 41 танк.

по 24 т.д. есть книги:
http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Horsemen...UTF8&qid=1373373824&sr=1-1&keywords=24+panzer

http://www.amazon.com/Death-Leaping...UTF8&qid=1373373824&sr=1-2&keywords=24+panzer

http://www.amazon.com/Die-24-Panzer...UTF8&qid=1373373824&sr=1-4&keywords=24+panzer

еще данные:
Наступавшая на Сталинград с юга 4 танковая армия не смогла прорвать упорную оборону советских войск во второй половине августа. В этих боях 23 августа погиб командир 24 танкового полка (Pz.Rgt. 24) из состава 24 танковой дивизии оберст Густав-Адольф Рибель (oberst G.-A. Riebel), которому посмертно было присвоено звание генерал-майор. Спустя три дня в боях погиб командир 21 танкового-гренадёрского полка (Pz.Gr.Rgt. 21) из состава той же дивизии оберст Вильгельм фон Ленгерке (oberst W. von Lengerke), которому посмертно также было присвоено звание генерал-майор.
12 сентября был тяжело ранен командир 24 танковой дивизии (Pz.Div. 24) генерал-майор Бруно риттер фон Хауншильд, который выбыл из строя до начала 1943 года.
В окружённой сталинградской группировке 29 декабря погиб командир 24 танкового полка (Pz.Rgt. 24) из состава 24 танковой дивизии майор Дитрих фон дер Ланкен (maj. D. von d. Lancken), которому посмертно было присвоено звание оберст-лейтенанта.

данных по потерям за август у меня нет - может будет в указанных книгах!

 

Во блин, и впрямь ищите и обрящите
24 т.д.
с 21 июля по 10 августа 42 года 197 убито + 1119 ранено + 3 безвести и 224 заболели
за период с 11 по 20 августа потери официально (не предоставлялись) отсутствуют в немецких доках
дальше почему то идут потери уже с 11 сентября и для 14 и 24 т.д.

 

Если интересно в 14 т.д. к 10 августа осталось 24 боесп.танков

24 т.д. на 26 июля имела - 5 двоек, 5 коротких троек, 72 длинные тройки, 6 коротких четверок и 3 длинных четверки

 

Спасибо, хоть какие то числа по немцам, по нашим есть доскональная статистика у Исаева. У меня есть воспоминания комроты ПТР воевавшего под Дубовым Оврагом и Большими Чапурниками в 15 ГСД. Меня больше всего интересовал период с 19 по 27 августа, те когда пошли на штурм высот под Красногвардейском. Хотел понять, в каком составе туда ломанулись и с чем отползли "с этих чертовых высот...". Что там оставили. Про гибель этих двух оберстов, в этот период, встречал неоднократно.
1) Все потери по л/с до 4-го августа, это прорыв позиций растянутой по фронту 51А. По танкам, скорее поломки на марше из Котельниково.
2) Потери с 5 по 19 бои под Абганерово и разъезд 74 км против 64А. Наши указывают потери 4ТА - 60 танков и 4 пехотных полка?
3) Потом получили подкрепление и полезли на Тундутово, Красноармейск. Прорвали правый фланг 57А и смяли левый 64А. Уперлись в УР под Ивановкой. Оставили несколько полков и до сотни танков.(?)
4) 28-29 отошли, ударили через Воропоново и прорвались к Волге. Получается 14 и 24ТД около сотни танков и пехота 4 АК.
Хочу досконально разобраться, какими силами? Читал, что у немцев, танк возвращался в строй в среднем 12 раз, а у нас 2,5. Но под Сталинградом (с учетом СТЗ) была другая статистика.

 

камраду Николаю К

может пригодится:
по 14 т.д.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/14._Panzer-Division_(Wehrmacht)

по 24 т.д.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/24._Panzer-Division_(Wehrmacht)

 

На сей счет есть такая цитата, подтверждающая, что 48ТК сильно пощипали под Абганерово:
"Это были тяжелые дни для танкового и артиллерийского полков,- признает Грамс,- положение усугублялось недостатком горючего и боеприпасов. Открытые степные пространства давали заметные преимущества вражеским танкам с их более обширным радиусом действий". Во время происшедших здесь танковых боев, продолжавшихся до 17 августа, обе стороны понесли значительные потери. Из 200 танков, с которыми 36-й танковый полк начал бои в районе разъезда 74-й км, к 10 августа в строю осталось лишь 24 машины. "Основная масса техники находилась в мастерских в Аксае. Не лучше обстояло дело и в остальных частях дивизии"
Получается, что 14ТД, танки были только только в 36ТП? Т.е. 24 танка всей дивизии = 24 танкам 36 полка?
Далее, Паулес передал 24ТД из 6А в 48ТК и они полезли на Красноармейск и Тундутово.
Спасибо за ссылки, попробую разобраться - слаб в инязе)))). Может есть подобная инфа на русском?

 

попробуйте универсальный переводчик
http://translate.google.ru/

так а в немецких т.д. танки и бывают в основном в танковом полку - в чем удивление??? для 14 т.д. это 36 т.п., для 24 т.д. это 24 т.п.

 

Получается, в 4 ТА (до передачи ей 24 ТД), танки были только в 48 ТК, в 48 ТК только в 14 ТД, а в 14 ТД только в 36 ТП.
Следовательно, на всю 4 ТА только один 36 ТП, а на 10 августа это 24 танка.

 

Тут вот в чем дело:
4ТА на 30 июля 1942
48 тк:
14. Panzer-Division
29. Infanterie-Division (mot)
4 ак:
94 п.д.
371 п.д.
6 ак румынский (на подходе)
1 и 2 п.д.

Подготовка к "Блау" подразумевала под собой еще и введение по одному танковому батальону в состав мотодивизий южного направления брали их в основном из танковых дивизий Центра в итоге 29 м.д. получила танковый бат. из состава 39 т.п. 17 т.д., который стал именоваться 129 т.б. в 29 т.д. так что ударных соединений было два 14 т.д. и 29 м.д.
Meldung vom 28. Juni 1942:
12 Panzer II
35 Panzer III (5 cm lg)
8 Panzer IV (lg)
2 Panzer Befehlswagen
итого 57 танков в 29 м.д. (если учесть что 43 из них это танки с длинноствольными пушками, то сила довольно внушительная).

Потери к 10 августа как вы заметили были страшные и уже 12 августа Готу передали 24 т.д. и 297 п.д.

теперь по полкам и батальонам - немецкая рота от 17-22, а батальон 80-90 машин, танковый полк из 2-3 батов имел ок 150-200 танков плюс с 43 года дивизион штугов появился.
у нас танковый полк 21-32 танка, танковая бригада 65 танков корпус ок. 150-180 машин то есть немецки т.п. это по численности танков наш т.к.

 

Есть упоминание о 94 саксонской ПД, которую, Гот оставил под высотами, отведя моторизованные части.
С румынами в составе 4 ТА полная непонятка: всезде фигурирует 20 рум. ПД, где то проскальзывает 4 рум АК, про 6 рум. АК(1 и 2 ПД) сведения противоречивые: по одним источникам фигурирует с начала августа, по другим прибывает в конце августа из Крыма, по третьим - усиливается еще двумя ПД?
Трудно сформировать целостную картину по 4 ТА.

 

ну так 94 п.д. в 4 ак я выше упоминал по румынам затрудняюсь!
4ТА на 30 июля 1942
48 тк:
14. Panzer-Division
29. Infanterie-Division (mot)
4 ак:
94 п.д.
371 п.д.

 

Кому интересны составы дивизий и их командующие в Северной Африке, Вам на сайт "Роммель & DAK":
http://rommel-dak.jimdo.com/axis-structure/

 

хлопці не підкажете які частини оборонялись в чорткові ,тернопільської області весною 1944

 

Всех приветствую.Ищу любую информацию по 16ТД за переод 1.07.42 по 15.07.42. 230 сд в 14-16 часов 12 июля была атакована противником(предположительно 16тд Вермахта-http://don1942.ru/) в центре и с правого фланга. К 17.00 центр обороны дивизии противник прорвал, правофланговый полк (990 сп) был окружен и в подавляющем большинстве уничтожен. Остальные полки отошли и к исходу дня заняли оборону на рубеже: Войтов, Райгородок, Трехизбенка. В итоге боя 230 сд уничтожила до 38 танков противника и до двух батальонов пехоты, потеряла стрелковый полк.Спасибо.С ув.

 

kubikrubik2222, вот фотка танка 16ТД и пленных летом 1942г

 

А откуда знать что 1942 и что 16тд?